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Concealed carry is one thing, knowing when to fire is another

Dec. 21, 2011 | 8 comments

As Wisconsin was on its way to becoming the 49th state to allow the concealed carrying of weapons, arguments from advocates and critics alike grew fierce. Either the world would decay into a violent, dystopian blood-bath or criminals would overtake decent people deprived of their right to defend themselves.

Both seem like awful places to be.

Since the law changed Nov. 1, we haven't seen either of those paradigm shifts in our society, although the state has been busy processing permits for residents hoping to make use of concealed-carry.

Amid the partisan rhetoric is the law itself, a complex piece of legislation with plenty of shades of gray.

It's all about the situation

When the Elm Grove Police Department decided to hold its own classes to help folks satisfy the training requirements in the law, NOW thought someone should go to see what this law is all about.

I'm not a gun owner, but, along with some of my peers at NOW, I had been writing about concealed carry for weeks, months even.

Plus, I've seen every Arnold Schwarzenegger movie 100 times, so I was pretty confident I had this whole gun thing covered when I showed up to class.

Four hours and dozens of questions later, I realize the practical implications of the law go far beyond its Constitutional and ideological boundaries.

As we went through the law in all of its idiosyncrasies, question after question came up, usually from people wondering about specific scenarios. Maybe three out of four had clear answers under the law.

I learned, for instance, that you can't take a gun onto school property, but you can walk your dog on the sidewalk in front of the school even if you're carrying a concealed weapon. Shooting someone, even if you're just trying to wound them, is considered using "deadly force" by the law.

Also, under the so-called Castle doctrine, you can shoot someone attempting to carjack you when you're in the car, but if you walk out to your garage and someone is trying to steal your car without you in it, you can't shoot them.

As one officer put it, "Just because you're carrying concealed, doesn't make you the super hero of the neighborhood."

No super heroes here

From the look of the class, I didn't see too many potential activist crime fighters. In fact, the makeup of the class broke with my expectations.

Of the 14 people in the class, three were women. My tablemate and I were the only ones younger than 35. One man was in a wheelchair, another well into his 60s.

This was not a group of ne'er-do-wells or would-be tough guys. People were looking for information. Can I benefit from this law given the restrictions? Does this make sense for me? Without going to the class, these things are hard to know.

The conversation in class also raised questions I'd never thought of - like where would I carry a gun so it was both safe and accessible? When does self-defense move from justifiable homicide to just plain homicide?

Some of those answers are highly subjective and others more black and white. That's what we have a criminal justice system for. As Assistant Chief Gus Moulas said, it's hard to know how you'll react when you have to pull a gun.

"This is going to be the worst day of your life."

Class a good starting point

Our instructors offered some simple tips for staying safe while carrying a weapon. For instance, always treat the gun as if it's loaded, keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to shoot, never point the gun at anything you aren't willing to destroy and always be aware of your target.

The only true hands-on part of the course was learning to unload a pistol - the law doesn't require a person learn to load a gun, just unload it.

More than one classmate mentioned they would probably go to the range before feeling comfortable carrying a concealed gun. The safety class is meant to be a starting point.

Knowledge is power

There's a reason Wisconsin made it mandatory for all those who intend to carry a concealed weapon to take this class: The law is too complex and the safety issues too paramount for a person to be metaphorically shooting blind.

Demand for these classes has been so great, the Police Department has doubled its offerings, adding even more classes in January. The law may or may not have put guns in the hands of people who otherwise would never have had them. At least the class puts knowledge in their hands, too.

Peter Bukowski covers Elm Grove for NOW. Follow him on Twitter, @PBukowski_CNI.

Next Step

If you want to take a CCW class, there are spots available in a class recently added in Elm Grove

WHO: Elm Grove Police

WHAT: Firearm Safety Course

WHEN: 9 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. Jan. 7

WHERE: Elm Grove Village Hall, 13600 Juneau Blvd.

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  1. Smart sensible article. Thanks.

    I've been open-carrying for several years now, where legal: nothing to report as yet. Concealed carry will allow me to be more discrete. That is, when and if my license finally arrives: I applied a month ago and I got my app in late because Gander Mountain had to delay the training course due to the Wisconsin DOJ's lateness in getting their requirements finalized.

    I'm one of the few liberals out there who carry, because I have had personal experience with violent crime. Crime CAN happen to anyone, anywhere at any time...feeling safe is not the same thing as being safe. So, I carry a Baby Glock (26) which fits me. I've trained several times a month for several decades now, but I don't consider myself at a level I need to be at with concealed carry: real-world violence often involves ambushes...it's hard for even a cop to prevail in this most-common of scenarios. My strong advice to newbies is train, train, train! But, on the other hand, anybody can fight: the perfect is the enemy of the good...don't let your lack of skills stop you from defending yourself; odds are, your attacker isn't ten feet tall either. Options are always better than no options.

    Be careful about letting someone choose your carry gun and carry system for you: what works for them probably won't work for you. If possible, test fire your carry weapon before purchase: how it feels in the gun store won't necessarily make it comfortable to shoot or easy to carry. I sold my tiny Ruger LCP mousegun for that reason: the gun was too small for my hand, was difficult to control, and the trigger pull was not to my liking. You might find, though, that the LCP is the gun for you. At nine ounces, the LCP is much easier to carry than my twenty-ounce Baby Glock though...I might have to buy another LCP for summertime carry, too, because it is super easy to conceal. A revolver is often best for new shooters, and six-guns are more reliable. The worst gun is no gun!
  2. This is an excellent, well balanced article. Very informative and quite accurate in outlining CC issues. Many people will take these classes and never carry, although they may want a gun in the home. These classes will provide much needed information concerning how the law will/might treat gun usage in certain situations. Lawlessness has not broken out in the other 48 states with some form of cc law. There is no reason to suspect Wisconsin will be different.
  3. If you have any questions regarding the CWP or need training contact www.e2c.us or 1-866-371-6111 and the Instructors at Equip 2 Conceal will be happy to help you.
  4. If you have any questions regarding the CWP or need training contact www.e2c.us or 1-866-371-6111 and the Instructors at Equip 2 Conceal will be happy to help you.
  5. Amazing... an informative & truthful article about gun rights.

    Peter, welcome to what some of us have known for years: it's a complicated issue & even if the shooting was absolutely legal you're likely to have an upsetting & expensive few months (at least!).
    The last thing a lawfully-armed citizen wants to do is shoot someone.

    I sat in on a class given by instructors from ladyNRAinstructor.com & they seemed to agree with your police chief, maybe even be more adamant about it since they know citizens don't have the protections police do. They do in-home training, sort of like a Tupperware party but it's highly educational. :D

    For a compendium of laws, plus discussion of practical aspects of daily carry for self-defense, I recommend the Wisconsin forum of opencarry.org
  6. I have always fancied myself as a bit of a 'rifleman' in the vein of chuck connors. However, I struggle with the conceal part, I have holstered the weapon down a pant leg but cannot ambulate without a peg leg kind of hop a long. So, I have augmented the disguise with eye patch, parrot, and swashbuckling debonair-like glide; alright, I am a ready teddy..... :o....look-out, baby, because when I unstrap this weapon and wheel-it like a gerbil schizoided-out on an excercise wheel someone will pay.
  7. The problem with concealed carry is that many do not realize what it was put into place for. It is there for those who feel they need 'protection' while outside their homes.
    The other problem with this is that a usual concealed carry weapon is intended for small lightweight handguns with low-round clips. What I have seen already are people carrying Desert Eagle .50 Caliber handguns, which are unnecessary because of their recoil, kick, and damage produced.

    I am for this program however, as long as there are good outcomes within it. But be wary, expect a lot of things to change in the ways of Law Enforcement. Especially when a vehicle is pulled over, that police enforcement officer needs to worry if the person in the vehicle is carrying a loaded, concealed weapon. Always remember, especially now, when pulled over, do not reach into your back seat, under your seat, or make any sudden abrupt maneuvers that may cause law enforcement officers to act with force.
  8. I recently received a concealed carry permit here in California. The application asks, "Why do you want a concealed carry permit?" My answer was threefold. First, I camp in a lot of remote areas where we've run across a number of odd characters. Second, my neighborhood has changed dramatically over the last few years. Third, law enforcement is there to write a report after the fact, not protect my family. The permit was issued with no questions.

    The next step was the eight hour training course. How to shoot is not an issue, rather it's when to shoot. And even if I have a justifiable shooting, I still may be arrested and or lawsuits.

    People that carry are not heros going out looking for trouble. However, if there is a life threatening act against me, my family, my neighbors, or even a complete stranger, I [u]may[/u] act. There are numerous issues to think of pertaining to a shooting, but in a life threatening situation, I pray that I make the correct decision. By carrying, I at least have a choice.
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