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AP classes are a growing trend in schools

Students, parents see advantages in higher-level courses

Jan. 17, 2012 | 8 comments

It was barely 8 a.m. Monday and 25 students in teacher Ben Westphal's Brookfield East biology class were busy at computers and a Smart Board analyzing the growth patterns and density of grasshoppers in a virtual field trip.

This was not just any biology class. It's Advanced Placement, a label put on curriculum that helps students earn credit toward college and a pathway to a desired career.

Student motives

"This class is important to me because I plan to have a medical career," said Preston Powers, a senior.

Sophomore Archit Basharan said he is taking as many AP classes as possible.

"It has become a very competitive situation, to see how many of these classes you can take," Basharan said.

Westphal, a 10-year Elmbrook teacher and eight years into teaching AP biology, said he has felt the increased interest in courses that help students gain valuable college-level credit.

Teacher's view

"I have seen enrollment grow, but it has remained consistent over recent years," Westphal said. "The students in this class and other AP level classes I teach are looking for the credit and the challenge.

"The basic difference in AP compared to honors or regular classes is that there is a lot more information to absorb and understand. It is the depth and the breadth of the subject that is so different."

He supported the notion that AP students, who need to not only complete the courses, but also successfully pass College Board exams to earn credit, are naturally competitive.

Parental interest

That competitive element has reached parents. On a recent Thursday morning, more than 40 parents showed up for what was advertised as a district chat. The program covered the transition from middle school to high school and how this year's initiation of block scheduling - in which classes are now 90 minutes long - changes the strategy of getting into all the AP courses desired.

Most parent questions involved the logistics of getting their students into key classes that match their interests as well as college and career goals. Several district officials emphasized that while parents need to be aware of their students' AP interests and goals, it is up to students to take the lead.

That sentiment was echoed by Laura Schmidt, a parent who is a past president of the district's Parent Advisory Board.

"Kids have the ability to know when they are interested in a subject and if they can handle an AP course," Schmidt said. "As a parent, there's a fine line between supporting and leading too much. It's really about guidance.

"Also, it's important to know there is a balance in how much a student can handle and what they should be doing as a student," she said. "They should enjoy school academically and socially."

Logistical challenges

Two factors make juggling multiple AP classes more challenging than ever. One is the physical education requirement that sometimes needs to be squeezed into a summer program at a less-desired 7:30 a.m. start. The other challenge is successfully testing for college credit in the new era of block scheduling.

Block scheduling means students now will have completed a condensed version of the course in the fall and need to wait several months before College Board exams. The other scenario is that a condensed spring course will end after the exam. The district plans to provide study groups and online reviews to help in either situation.

Opportunity, finances and family

Parent Libby Wistrom said she wants her three boys - still in elementary and middle school - to have the same opportunity she, her husband and other family members have in getting into the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She said she is interested in the AP curriculum "because you don't want your children to miss out on the opportunities to go where they want to go simply because you don't know about them.

"It's so difficult to get in, even if you are at or near the top of your high school graduating class," Wistrom said. "We want our boys to go to Madison. We already figure on a budget of $40,000 per year per person, but it's better than going to a private school. We also want them to stay in state. We figure that if they go off to another state and meet someone, they are likely to live somewhere else, so that's part of what we think about, too."

Predicted growth

Melanie Stewart, Elmbrook's director of assessment and student learning, said the district's AP courses have grown from six in 1991 to 21 today.

"AP is more popular today and we expect that it will be for the foreseeable future," Stewart said. "Students want them, parents want them and as long as the curriculum continues to open doors for our students, we will provide them."

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  1. A caution to students and parents, do NOT count on AP classes to provide college credits that are worth anything toward your degree. For example, if you are majoring in most types of engineering, AP Biology, AP Chemistry, and AP Physics will not count towards the science credits you need to take in college. They are not at a high enough level. Also, they won't count as elective credits either in engineering. I know of a student getting her degree in biology before going on to Vet school who took all the AP science classes she could (Kettle Moraine district)and none of them counted. The University of Minnesota made her take their science classes.

    There are one quarter AP classes such as AP Micro Economics. This class could be taught during the 3rd quarter so students would have the material fresh in their minds for the early May tests. Non AP Micro Economics could be taught the first two quarters.

    If Wisconsin really cared about our students
  2. A caution to students and parents, do NOT count on AP classes to provide college credits that are worth anything toward your degree. For example, if you are majoring in most types of engineering, AP Biology, AP Chemistry, and AP Physics will not count towards the science credits you need to take in college. They are not at a high enough level. Also, they won't count as elective credits either in engineering. I know of a student getting her degree in biology before going on to Vet school who took all the AP science classes she could (Kettle Moraine district)and none of them counted. The University of Minnesota made her take their science classes.

    There are one quarter AP classes such as AP Micro Economics. This class could be taught during the 3rd quarter so students would have the material fresh in their minds for the early May tests. Non AP Micro Economics could be taught the first two quarters.

    If Wisconsin really cared about our students
  3. A caution to students and parents, do NOT count on AP classes to provide college credits that are worth anything toward your degree. For example, if you are majoring in most types of engineering, AP Biology, AP Chemistry, and AP Physics will not count towards the science credits you need to take in college. They are not at a high enough level. Also, they won't count as elective credits either in engineering. I know of a student getting her degree in biology before going on to Vet school who took all the AP science classes she could (Kettle Moraine district)and none of them counted. The University of Minnesota made her take their science classes.

    There are one quarter AP classes such as AP Micro Economics. This class could be taught during the 3rd quarter so students would have the material fresh in their minds for the early May tests. Non AP Micro Economics could be taught the first two quarters.

    If Wisconsin really cared about our students
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    • Each college or university has its own policies about granting credit for AP courses. The student should investigate those policies before choosing a school. I scored a perfect score in AP English, and was awarded a full year of credit and A grade for freshman English. Between that and taking a few extra credits each semester, I graduated from a private school in 3 years, with no debt and had a job lined up the week following graduation. If I had chosen a state school, they would not have granted credit. Think of the opportunity cost of staying in school longer than necessary when choosing a college.
    • I think it is great if some one can pick a school in their junion year or senior year and determine what courses to take. People change their minds a lot when young. We mature as we grow older, especially in high school and then even more in higher learning. Private schools are for the most part way more expensive than state schools. I think you got lucky. AP courses are fine but a lot of the times they are a waste of taxpayers dollars to fund them . We are not in a position to fund individuals upper learning. That is their choice , not a requirement of our learning system . People want the public to fund individuals education desires before they need it, (3K, 4K ) and now in college prep courses in high school . Let them go to WCTC , pay for it their them selves (still a public entity really) It is not required to get out of high school, something like jewelry class only worse.
    • I think it is great if some one can pick a school in their junion year or senior year and determine what courses to take. People change their minds a lot when young. We mature as we grow older, especially in high school and then even more in higher learning. Private schools are for the most part way more expensive than state schools. I think you got lucky. AP courses are fine but a lot of the times they are a waste of taxpayers dollars to fund them . We are not in a position to fund individuals upper learning. That is their choice , not a requirement of our learning system . People want the public to fund individuals education desires before they need it, (3K, 4K ) and now in college prep courses in high school . Let them go to WCTC , pay for it their them selves (still a public entity really) It is not required to get out of high school, something like jewelry class only worse.
  4. Sorry about that. If Wisconsin really wanted to see higher AP scores, school would start in August so that when the AP exams happened in early May our students would have been taught the same amount of classroom time as most other states. Our schools start September 1st or later, because the tourism lobby wanted students to be able to work during the summer.
  5. Kirsten, the primary situation for needing to retake AP science courses is if you are on a pre-med track AND you don't take any advanced science classes beyond the introductory courses. The reason being is that some (not all) medical schools like to see the actual course in the transcript as opposed to getting AP credits. If, however, you take beyond then medical schools are happy. For example, if you take AP biology and get the college credit for it, then you can jump into an advanced course (say genetics). Medical schools then see that you have biology on the transcript and are fine with it. I know a student who took a ton of AP courses in HS and is able to graduate from UW Madison in 2 years and is already accepted in top medical schools. So, I don't buy your warning. What I do think is a MAJOR problem is the logistics especially block scheduling. Students are overwhelmed with several AP courses that normally take one year that are not squeezed into half a year. Students are not learning the material as well and then have to wait to take the exam. If Elmbrook had any sense, they would revisit this issue but the choice of block scheduling was not for improved learning and rather for budget savings. So, Elmbrook will probably do nothing.
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